Just because it's not a commandment doesn't mean it's not in The Bible. Fundamentalists hold the most extreme and literal interpretations of The Bible and are quick to point you to a Bible passage to prove that something like homosexuality is abominable and condemns you to hell or that molesting children is fine as long as you say some words quietly into your hands. Conveniently, they ignore some of the most straightforward rules for no reason other than that they just don't fit in with the type of society they want. So, here are those forgotten Christian rules that need to be followed if they're really going to stick to their guns on the whole gay marriage, abortion and child molestation thing.
DISCLAIMER: this list isn't meant as a hateful gesture towards Christians, but a way to fight irrational responses in debates with (fun) facts.
""A bitched shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord."" (Deuteronomy 23:2)
A bitched is someone who was born outside of wedlock, which means you were born before your parents were married. Being born out of wedlock makes you filthy, apparently; so filthy in fact that it takes ten genetic steps down the line to wash how filthy it makes you.
So your family's 100% awesome to come to church in like a century or two if you're a bitched, which I guess is fair.
Wait, but what if your dad abandoned you and your mom after she had given birth to you... that means you're going to be held responsible and deprived of God's love... which...
Wow, this means that Christian orphanages are hypocritical institutions if they're taking these kids to church. Brutal.
How to Use: After bringing up the point about orphanages, it's time to take a survey of the church just to make sure there aren't evil, lurking, dirty bitcheds in there ruining the holy juice for everyone.
A Woman's Punishment For Defending Her Husband = Cut Off Her Hand
"When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)
Okay this one is insanely specific, which makes it that much more awesome. This probably NEVER happens... but if a faithful wife decided to defend her husband by grabbing a guy by his junk, anyone, would have God's blessing to cut her hand off.
How to Use: Alright, so in the extremely rare case that you might witness something like this happening and you know everyone involved is a devout Christian, then politely recommend the woman's hand be cut off -- just to save her (and them) from an eternity of Hellfire.
And once again, here's another rule that illustrates the point that if people were better Christians, we'd have a lot more handless people walking around. If people were much better Christians, then pirate hook sales would go through the roof (and we'd probably have designer hooks as a driving force of our economy.)
Men With Wounded Penises or No Testicles Are Not Allowed in Church
"He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord."(Deuteronomy 23:1)
First of all, yes, the King James Bible actually calls them "stones." You are now aware of the fact that the "stones" euphemism is a Biblical reference.
Also, God hates people with testicular cancer, apparently.
If it wasn't already bad enough that these poor dudes have wounded stones and members, it turns out that if they choose to practice proper Christianity they can never go to church again? That's balls.
So the context of this passage is actually that people should be without blemish and should generally be "perfect" so that they can procreate well and contribute to the Lord's congregation by being fruitful and multiplying, so it makes sense that having a working pair of stones is necessary... it's just pretty brutal if you have no control over losing your "stones."
How to Use: Either way, if someone ever tries to debate that "we are all God's children" kindly remind them that if you're in any way missing your goods, you're pretty much screwed. If you have testicular cancer, according to The Bible, you really shouldn't bother praying for yourself.
Also, new rule: according to this rule, if someone kicks you in the balls in church, in addition to being in extreme pain, in order to be polite, you have to walk all the way outside until the pain subsides (and rises to your stomach.)
Divorce and Remarrying Are Both Considered Adultery
""Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery."" (Luke 16:18)
Ooookay, so no church should ever marry people who have already been married if this is the rule.
If anyone in a fundamentalist's family has ever been divorced or re-married, then they are going to hell.
Most people don't observe this rule because it clearly says in The Bible that you can pick and choose which rules you follow (it doesn't.)
How to Use: According to this passage, all members of the congregation that have been divorced and/or remarried would be sinners and should be kicked out of the church. With a 50% divorce rate in America, it's safe to say that people are selectively ignoring this rule, yet somehow still seeing themselves as ""pious.""
Just because you're not deeply religious does not mean you're not a good person, and what people are really effectively doing in ignoring certain rules of Christianity is not only proving that exact point, but proving that they believe it.
"I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men; she is to keep silent." Timothy 2:11
This is the most often quoted version of this passage, but in The King James Bible, it goes a little bit more like this...
"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection." which has been translated and taken as the primary passage that doesn't allow women to be preachers. The whole section is really about women not being able to "malign the word of God" if they're not allowed to speak.
Keep in mind the first "big bad" antagonist in The Bible is women, as a sex.
So, since some woman allegedly bit into a delicious looking fruit at some point thousands of years ago, best to attribute one action to an entire sex (just to be safe.)
While this is a little brutal, bringing up this passage to someone who looks like these fine ladies to your left will most likely shut them up (or at the very least garner a really interesting response.)
All women holding up hateful signs are officially moot in the eyes of God, much like they are in the eyes of the rational, so hey, there's a good side to this rule.
If You Steal Something, or Sin in Any Way: Cut Off Your Hand
""And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched."" (Mark 9:43)
If your irresponsible hand reaches out all on its own to steal some sunglasses or touch another man's wife, the Bible requires you to cut it off. End of story. No more video games that aren't Atari.
How to Use: So next time someone tells you that you're going to hell, ask them if they're free of sin, and if they believe that they aren't, then kindly request their hand. It's their duty to give it to you.
Kind of like in that one SNL skit where Chris Farley gets on a Japanese gameshow, where everyone has to cut their hands off when they get wrong answers.
It's pretty safe to say every adult (and God knows, every teenager), has committed adultery by this standard.
Being attracted to the opposite sex is part of humanity. Law in Western society only prosecutes bad actions -- not bad thoughts, but that's not the way it's supposed to go.
How to Use: Bring around some pictures from Men's Health for the women and some Maxim, perhaps some Playboy, for the men. Get them to look at it and give you an opinion. Most of the time, they will have lustful descriptions and will think nothing of it when they're really violated a cut and dry part of what is supposed to be their belief system. Feel free to shout things like "ADULTERER!" after Gerard Butler and Jessica Alba have made everyone into adequate sinners.
Giving Birth to a Daughter Makes You Unclean for 66 Days
""But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days."" (Leviticus 12:5)
People should hold signs that say ""God Hates Women"" because it really will be the most accurate Christian sign you could ever make.
God made the one thing women were actually appreciated for, the ability to give birth to life, a dirty act.
When women give birth to their children at the hospital now, they are immediately handed their child because that's what you want to do when you pop out a kid after carrying it for nine months in your belly -- not go through 66 days of church-mandated shame.
How to Use: Next time one of your devout relatives or someone who always thinks they're right during religious debates has a daughter, politely bring up the fact that in the eyes of God, the mother is a dirty whore who needs to wait 66 days before being allowed anywhere near anything clean ever again.
""But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head..."" 1 Corinthians 11:5
Wait, so why the hell wasn't I allowed to wear hats in church?
Fundamentalist Christian women seem to have forgotten this basic rule of church attire reminiscent of Islam. The Bible should have clarified what it means to dishonoureth one's head. Most women walk around with their hair uncovered in all styles in modern society and men aren't having too much trouble keeping it in their pants.
How to Use Mary always wore a veil... why shouldn't they?
""But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you."" (Deuteronomy 22: 20-21)
The ""father's house"" in Paris Hilton's case would be any Hilton hotel, so we know that if fundamentalists were really taking everything the way ""God"" intended, then it should be a well-known and widespread Christian agenda to call for the public stoning of Paris Hilton.
Also, there are edge-cases where if a little girl has an accident or is injured during sports, The Bible says they should be stoned to death.
It's pretty well known that it's entirely possible (and not at all irregular) for a young woman's hymen to be accidentally broken due to accidents or even playing certain sports like gymnastics.
This also means that in order to enforce a rule like this, we'd need to have regular ""Hymen Checks"" at churches, but we don't, because we're human beings and we're trying to live in a little thing called ""society."
So then why let this one slide and not things like gay marriage?
Your Family Is Your Enemy and You Are All Competing for God's Love
""For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."" (Matthew 10:35-27)
So believing in God, according to the Bible, is like a life-or-death game of Family Double Dare, only instead of having color-coded teams it's every man (woman and child) for themselves.
How to Use: So next time someone says ""family first"" it's probably them tricking you into loving God less than you should, just so you'll go to hell and they won't. So, according to The Bible every time a mother tells her child that family is the most important thing in the world, they're really condemning their child to an eternity of fire, brimstone and suffering.
So, once again, all you need to do to prove this point in front of anyone is really just to ask them about their family and what's most important to them.
"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." (Psalm 137:9)
The Bible encourages disciplining your child... by throwing him against a stone wall, baby!
Doing so will apparently make you "happy" (if you're a sadistic psychopath, or if you hate your children.)
This is a dangerous encouragement of violence against helpless children and if followed, could easily be used to justify parents who shake their kids to death to make them stop crying or for simply just child abuse.
How to Use: So next time someone's trying to prove that every passage of The Bible is beautiful and should be closely followed, ask them if they beat their kids.
"Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke [reason with] thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord." (Leviticus 19: 17-18)
This pretty much means that every single Westboro Baptist Church protest is inherently Un-Christian.
The Westboro Baptist Church, based in Topeka, Kansas has clearly forgotten this guideline, which is much more explicit than anti-homosexual Biblical references. The church is famous for being a hate group that protests at homosexuals' funerals and has nothing but contempt for any other religion besides its own. The church is using technology to hate on homosexuals through their website, godhatesf*gs.com and has a travel budget of over $200,000 to picket and disrupt funerals all over the country.
They protest military funerals (protest in their context actually means "harass") and make one of the worst days of these people's lives even worse. This is what they do as a primary form of "activism."
The scariest part is that these people actually procreate. They have kids holding up hateful signs and they teach their children the opposite of Christian values.
They have effectively made hate speech accepted and legal by slapping the word "church" on their group, which is probably the smartest thing they've ever done.
But if The Lord says love they neighbor, then what book are they reading?
How to Use: Simply bring up the fact that all hate speech is inherently Un-Christian.
""For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken. No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the Lord made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God."" (Leviticus 21:18-21)
Apparently, God reads US Weekly and takes it to heart. Although since he is all knowing and all powerful, then that also means that he reads every magazine ever written.
So it theoretically isn't an untrue statement that yes, God reads Out Magazine.
According to The Bible, people who are born with or acquire defects throughout their lives should not approach the altar of a Church to make an offering to God because they ""hath a blemish.""
Christians are always saying God loves everyone but this list of ""or""s excludes a whole group of people who actually have no control over what they look like most of the time.
From something as superficial as a flat nose to once again with the ""broken stones"" (Women may be inferior in God's eyes, but he sure knows how to make a man feel worthless.)
Congrats God, you've found a way to hold every disabled and unprotected person responsible for things out of their control and make them feel like crap about it.
How to Use: If there's even one disabled person with a serious physical problem or deformity in the church, you need to remind the church goers that he needs to be removed if anyone's going to get any kind of legitimate praying, singing and donating done.
"But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matthew 5:39)
Really? "Please sir, may I have another?" is a Biblical rule? I thought it was just an S&M command.
How to Use Passivity may be better than war and violence, but inviting someone to continue beating you seems a bit much. The best way to test this, of course, would be to openly attack someone and see if they pull a "please sir, may I have another?"
""Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother."" (Mark 12:19)
Moses, the prophet who delivered his fellow Jews from a wicked Egyptian tyrant and led them across the parted Red Sea, had apparently told this speaker that if a woman is widowed, her late husband's brother should sleep with her and produce heirs for his brother. From a traveling crowd of people that were homeless for 40 years, this actually makes sense... but not so much for this day and age.
Picture that -- a grieving widow is visited by her husband's brother to have sex the night of the funeral.
How to Use: repopulating simply to have heirs doesn't exist as a valid concept anymore. Plenty of couples are choosing not to reproduce at all and with a recession and climate crisis on our hands, they're doing the world a favor. If this rule has been allowed to become obsolete, why not others that ruin people's lives?
If in spite of this you still do not listen to me but continue to be hostile toward me, 28 then in my anger I will be hostile toward you, and I myself will punish you for your sins seven times over. 29 You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters."(Leviticus 26:27-30)
If you break even a single one of these rules, you need to eat your children. Doesn't matter how old they are, doesn't matter what you do, but if you disobey God and his ways, he's going to wreak some serious havoc.
In this part of Leviticus, it's really God making a bunch of threats rules and maybe he just got a little out of hand, but yes, he says that if you disobey him, he's gonna make you eat your kids.
How to Use: You might as well put on the Food Network, get some good recipes ready and hand them to someone next time a Christian fundamentalist tries to pull their piety card out. If they're not following this rule, then why follow rules that allow hate towards people different than they are?
"And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also." (Matthew 5:40)
This passage feels like the one above, but it kind of has a twist. If someone steals something from you, you should hand over something else too. It's like a steal one-get one handed right to you offer.
How to Use: Passages like these make it seem like God didn'thonestly grant his followers free will and in reality wants to turn them into obedient and mindless robots who can't think for themselves.
Either way, a good way to test this would be to steal something from a Christian and see if you get even more out of it.
"...thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness." (Leviticus 18:19)
No, this doesn't mean that guys aren't allowed around chicks that don't shower. That's fine (according to The Bible.) It means that when a woman is going through her "woman times" a man is not allowed to "approach" her, which in Biblespeak means sex -- much like "knowing" does.
This passage forbids men from sleeping with a woman on her period, which in the Bible is known as "uncleanness." That uncleanness is of course the means to human reproduction and has been known as the bane of female existence for causing monthly cramps, breakouts, mood swings and mass destruction.
Now, this is one to bring up to women because although a lot of people follow this rule anyway just for "hygenic" reasons (it's really hygenically fine, but some people are a little squeamish about blood), it's really a Bible passage telling men to stay away, and actively avoid women during a time in which they should probably be nurtured the most.
Now we've uncovered the secret mission of the Bible: pit men against women. Forever.
""For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him."" (Leviticus 20:9)
If every kid in America who cursed at his parents was killed, we'd have to worry about repopulating the country. Every day.
So, really all you'll have to do to silence any screaming protester outside an abortion clinic, military funeral, or even a family member that's being a little too smug about their religious beliefs is ask them how their parents are doing.
The context of this forgotten rule is all part of Christianity's established hierarchy, which gives parents absolute power over their children, and all men power over women. So if you're a father, you really have more power than pretty much everyone on earth except God.
How to Use: Try bringing this up in front of a man's wife or children, see how that goes.
voiceofreason Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 5/11/2012 7:59 PM
I think a good hermeneutical approach to a text does wonders. A good exegetic reading of the texts can be very fruitful. For example, #4 from leviticus refers specifically to priestly duties assigned to Aaron and his progeny, and not as a general prohibition. The importance of physical wholeness can easily be imagined when one tries to understand the significance of having a symbolically whole and perfect priest as intercessor and intermediary between a corporately covenanted people and their God. I am glad that people are eager to dig into some great literature, but I am afraid that these quotes are designed to stifle and retard discussion and understanding rather than to meaningfully and fully investigate and debate.
rspfau Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 5/09/2012 10:45 AM
Reading the comments about how the Old Testament laws are no longer valid (following the death of Jesus), I'm soooo confused! Which laws apply today, and which do not? How can I tell? Why doesn't someone delete the Old Testament from the Bible so we won't all be so confused as to what we're supposed to do? Does the New Testament really say which laws are still valid and which are not, or does one have to read between the lines?
Justme Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 5/07/2012 9:32 AM
Just ran across this and found it interesting but totally devoid of truth or the proper use of biblical context. Whoever wrote this dribble needs to go back to school and this time learn something.
Justice for all Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 5/03/2012 7:38 AM
I think there is room for another passage and it should be the first one. Luke 16:17 states that you cannot play God and pick and choose the passages that for your agenda. You must read and obey all of them.
Luke 16:17 It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.
Josh Hamman Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 4/27/2012 4:41 AM
Fellow brothers and sisters! Obviously the article is taking things out of historical and biblical context, but let's not argue the meanings of empty words (Tower of Babel anyone?) as believers in Christ yea?! See 1 Timothy 6: 3-5. You will only be able to truly understand any of this, if you first take hold of the Gospel. This is Hope we all have in Jesus, whom we all may know, and trust to lead us in understanding His Word.
There is a reason His disciples were uneducated fisherman and not rabbi's or pharisee's- in this way, there would be no mistaking that the message, and authority with which they preached said message, was not from anything they had learned from their own personal interpretation or through schooling or studying. It was the Holy Spirit speaking through them, and that is something we can all have ourselves through Jesus Christ! My life has confirmed and validated the Truth to be found in the Bible, and it is such a blessing! Let's be clear, the Bible is *not* the "Word of God." It was spirit inspired, but it is full of snares and things that were written in certain context eg from a Book containing letters regarding certain situations in a certain church.
The Holy Spirit is the Word of God, whom we have through Jesus, whom we have through the message of the Gospel, which we are made aware of through the Bible. The Bible gives us the laws of the Old Covenant (the old law) so that we can take those, knowing what sin is, and write those laws on our hearts, and then be freed up to live fully in God- worshipping him with our very lives in His Spirit and in His truth, because God *is* Spirit!
We are called to be living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God! Let's live it out before we go and misrepresent the One we claim to seek and follow- pull the plank out of your own eye! You can shout bible verses at people til you're blue in the face, but they are naught but meaningless words if they themselves don't take them to heart! Is God unable to do anything for them until we come and shove bible verses down their throats and speak of tell them they are going to hell? With the same tongue you praise God, would you curse the other ones He has also made in His own image?
Show them love and don't judge- that is how they will know that there IS a God, and that He is love- pure unconditional, boundless love!
Faith, hope, and love..which was the greatest again? Lest you forget, it was, and IS, love (1 John 4:8)! Jesus came not to judge, but save. So please, take a step back, and consider these things you think and say and do. If we have Christ, we are *not* to go on sinning! Romans 6 says, "by *no means*!"
We are not perfect, but there is a fine line between being imperfect and being sinful. Let me encourage you all who seek the good and truth to read through Romans Chapter 6. Imperfection is no justification or excuse for us to keep doing what we know in our hearts is wrong! God's power is made perfect in our weakness, but His power is not in sin- it's in righteousness! He is holy, and as we want to live as Jesus did, we should seek it also! With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible! =]
To all reading, please don't assume that there is no God- that there is no truth to be found, simply because you haven't been convinced of this by those who claim to understand. If they FULLY understand, they see the reason and good in it, and they want to take it to heart and live it out the fullest! I strive to do this everyday and I can honestly say it is quite unlike anything I have ever before had and what's still in store for me is exciting! =] God bless
Jesus Christ A Woman's Punishment For Defending Her Husband = Cut Off Her Hand at 4/16/2012 4:51 AM
Read the scriptures just before this verse.That is deutronomy 25:5-10. It says a woman can publically spit in the face of a man who will not take her as wife and take away his shoes publically,thus humiliating him.Here woman's husband is dead and the husband and his brother were living together with their families at the time of brother's death.God gave such privilages to women who are willing to obey him.What have you 'modern' ignorant,misled feminists got?
Will in SD Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 4/13/2012 2:16 PM
it isn't even that these more obscure portions of the mosaic law are no longer sinful, as much as it is that christianity is not about keeping rules down to the jot and tittle. the new testament is about love and grace; its about restoring a relationship between a holy God and sinful man. as long as you have that, God's grace and guidance will deal with you concerning the rest.
if mean-spirited religious hypocrites get under your skin, welcome to the club, they did the same to jesus!
but the entire aim of this website, using (grotesquely removed from context) bible verses "against" someone is completely misguided, and misses the point of the message of the faith entirely.
jayrrees Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 4/09/2012 7:15 AM
It is in observing how Jesus acted in contrast to his culture rather than in conformity to it that we come in touch with his revolutionary new attitude towards women. Often we read the stories of Jesus’ encounter with women without realizing the radical nature of his actions. However, the accounts would have had a very different impact on the original readers familiar with the culture Jesus was challenging. For today’s readers to hear the message the author intended, it is necessary to be familiar with the attitudes toward women that characterized the cultural milieu in which Jesus ministered.
Make God Great Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/26/2012 3:49 AM
To the writer of this 'Top 20.' It would have been worthwhile for you to do a proper exergesis on each of these verses before writting this article. Fhe Scriptures in the Old Testament, read them in the original Hebrew or Aramaic. Concerning those in the New Testament, look into what was happening in the city and the church the letter was written to first before making any assumptions.
JustWastedMyTimeReadingThis Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/20/2012 12:32 PM
This is quite possibly the most mis-informed list I have ever seen...I mean seriously...No.4 is ridiculous, when does it say anything against Christian orphanages...orphans are very different from bastards if you care to look up the definition somewhere
David Giving Birth to a Daughter Makes You Unclean for 66 Days at 2/27/2012 9:08 AM
This says a woman is unclean only two weeks after giving birth to a female child. The sixty six days was in her purifying which actually 'ceremony' if you will which actually starts before the birth, which is shown by 'shall continue' and the length thereof is determined by male of female child. The purification is used also as a time of prayer and sanctification for the new child and is only longer for a female because females need to be prayed for more because they are attacked more spiritually because they can bring more potential temples of the Holy Spirit into the world.
His Grace is Sufficient for Even Me! Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 2/24/2012 2:11 PM
While some of these are old testament laws and were no longer necessary to follow after Christ died on the cross for sins of the world, which you would know if you cracked the bible open and read it; others such as the one about divorce and remarrying is adultery, however any man or woman that is saved by God's amazing grace is going to heaven regardless of how many sins they have committed. Ephesians 2 :8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:Not of works, lest any man should boast.
DavidRoyScott Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 5/18/2012 10:26 AM
T bible is a 2,000 year old book written about Jesus and his times.... written by people who never met the MAN...... Written two hundred years after Jesus's death..... WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP! STUPID, IGNORANT LITTLE PARABLES.... THAT IS ALL.... JUST CRAP. AND SO CALLED CHRISTIANS ARE IGNORANT ENOUGH TO BELIEVE ALL IT"S CRAP. Christians are stupid, gullible morons..... GET A FRIGGIN LIFE.... GOP BIGOTS!
bgirllol123 Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 2/24/2012 6:36 PM
That is so true... The old testament ones don't mean anything anymore anyway... New Law:). But yeah, They need the whole context, not just the one verse that makes it look bad.
GarrettWinters Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 5/17/2012 8:30 AM
Not all Christians are homophobes, just like not all atheists are ignorant assholes. Religious hatred is religious hatred, no matter if you're a atheist saying harmful things, a Christian, or a Pastafarian...
wowjustwow Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 2/27/2012 9:20 AM
Actually the New Testament speaks of it as well, but there again just showing that you just don't really know much about the Bible. The verses are 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 KJV. The word effeminate is speaking of homosexuals, though in other versions like NET it actually uses the word homosexual. But what does it matter so much, lying is a sin as well and that is something 100% of mankind is guilty of. Why nitpick over one thing when the real issue is that we all have sinned and need to come to repentance before God and trust in Jesus as our Savior.
indycub86 Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 4/11/2012 11:19 AM
The word it was translated from, arsenokoit, doesn't mean homosexual. The best you could argue ... and it's quite the stretch ... is that it refers in some cases to pederasts. But it's sure as heck not a blanket statement against gay people.
The retranslation of it to mean effeminate or homosexual is quite the modern development as far as the bible is concerned.
pezandfez Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/02/2012 11:58 PM
1 Timothy 2:11-14
Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church. These verses seem sexist, and are in the New Testament. Can someone tell me what these verses mean. As a woman and not a very avid reader of the Bible these verses make me feel uncomfortable. Also, why does it seam that orders in the old testament are not interpreted as literally as the new?
Andy890 Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 5/09/2012 8:38 PM
the thing is, we live by grace and grace alone, yes the old testament is harsh and imposible to follow its the reason why Jesus came, we live by grace their fore the law in the old testament was abolished in the sense that we dont live by them because we could never fullfill them we live in spite of them, following the teachings of Jesus in the new testament. As for the verse of corinthians woman in that time where not very educated and when they went to temple, due to the distribution of the building itslef woman and men were quite separete and it wouldnt be unusual for woman ask quite a few quiestion in the sermon and would ask them quite loud and assume would inturrept quite often. As any screaming person would. that how they explained it to me when i asked. many time paul, is in the book of timothy, would write down his own opinion, like he did when he said that best be that no one married and stayed celibate for God later explaining that this wasnt for everyone, if you truly want to understand how the woman is viewed read what Jesus did. In the end the book is about him not the rest. how he treated woman was completly out of his time. read the story about the women that went for water and found Jesus and he started explaining thing and teaching her about God. in that time men did not speak to woman yet he treated them as equals. srry for the long response.
anna.noemi Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 5/17/2012 12:02 PM
You're basically saying that because women at the time were usually not educated, they were discouraged from talking in church. This makes sense, since at the time these books were written, this was the expected behaviour of women. However, how would God let this scripture exist in the holy books if it wasn't meant that way? Wouldn't God know that women at some point would become educated and have worthwile things to say and teach? Alternatively, why wouldn't he just state that any uneducated person should not teach or have authority over others? Wouldn't this be a better way to put this instead of demeaning women?
Also, just to add, at the time most PEOPLE were uneducated, not just women. It wasn't until long after these books were written that education became a widespread phenomenon. So singling out women doesn't make sense even in the context that you provided. It's just another example of how the biases of humans influenced what they thought a god would want
kona5303 Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 2/19/2012 3:57 PM
The common argument will be we're under grace, not law, however that's not the point. The point is that god is unchanging and therefore the lifestyle that he deemed righteous under the law is still righteous now. Why not strive to live as closely to how your god wants you to? The obvious answer is that it is extremely inconvenient and barbaric.
When it comes to the heightened sacrifices for birthed daughters, what makes more sense, that that law came from god (who is ascribed at the same time for creating said life and process, then subsequently deeming said life and process unclean), or written by man?
Theoretically Christians should live as closely to the law as possible to reduce the amount of sin that jesus had to atone for.
Jesus died to eradicate inbred sin (carnel sin) not each individual sin, but sinful nature. Old laws impossible to keep. But after receiving forgiveness for all your sins and receive baptisism of Holy Spirit you can live holy and free from sin. This is the new law.
anonymous Women Will Never Teach or Have Authority Over Men at 12/27/2011 11:05 AM
how can poeple believe in this religion bull s**t the earth is far more older than we wil ever know ,there is evidence of evolution but not god or what ever u call it,but if u say god made us in his image then god is two sexes and that means woman have the same rights as man.show me a real picture of god then i will consider, if not shut the f**k up and leave woman alone , to those who believe woman must obey man it must be nice to screw them and call them w***es but history shows that man is the biggest w***e and man is the one who will destroy the earth and its woman for the sake of a god that does not exist.i feel sorry for woman they are the ones who been enslaved by men since the time of our existence.and let us get real just because u cannot explain ure existance does not mean that there is a god. life is the biggest mystery and will remain so. aint that a b***h to those who believe. p.s woman has just as much rights as men, for those who dont think so go and f**k ure self, why i say so cause i have a right too
rudolph Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 12/27/2011 10:12 AM
i think all religion is horse s**t man cannot believe in a 2 thousnd year old story where the earth is hundreds of millions of years old , in anyway there is proof of evolution but no proof of god, show me a real picture of him then i will consider because if u say we were made of his image then god should be of two sexes which means woman has the same rights as men with no question. men who think other wise are complete f**k heads who need to be treated like dogs and women need to be treated like gods , so up yours believers u know two s**ts about man kind thats why this world is heading for world war 3 and again woman will be the slaves of war to build our weapons like world war two.how intresting it is to know that men gets medals but woman gets a slap in thier face,
robert74 Men With Wounded Penises or No Testicles Are Not Allowed in Church at 12/16/2011 2:09 PM
If you're going to quote and write about the bible, you might want to READ and UNDERSTAND it first. Quote: "Also, God hates people with testicular cancer, apparently." Back then, they castrated men for preparing them for harem service. That way, the kings were sure that no servant would be sleeping with their women. Here are two daily (modern) rule to live by: 1-put yourself in other people's shoes. 2-use common sense (which is something you probably brag about having all the time). Here's a daily quote I live by: I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is. -Albert Camus
xarmina Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 5/06/2012 11:56 PM
I very much doubt that the kings who castrated the slave men who working in the harems were concerned with whether or not those eunuchs were going to hell.
Alex Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 10/29/2011 3:57 AM
Quite frankly, this list is terrible. They obviously know nothing about this topic. Why they choose to broadcast your ignorance all over the world is beyond me. I would reccomend that no one try to use this list; it will only work on someone as ignorant as the author.
adaml11600 Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 10/27/2011 1:29 AM
Of course we must dicipline the little ones but don't carried away and touch their peepees.Anyway dont blame the pastors. They were just admiring the beautiful penises that god created on those beautiful boys.And the pastors discovered it is such a pleasure to touch ones peepee in front of little boys.
Man About Town Men With Wounded Penises or No Testicles Are Not Allowed in Church at 8/16/2011 1:33 PM
@ Jamie Smith 'Deuteronomy is in the Old Testament, it is under the Law of Moses, and we today are not bound by the Law of Moses' So are the Ten Commandments, which are preached about (but not fully observed) by the religious on a regular basis. Someone needs to tell them to read the new handbook.
JamieSmith Men With Wounded Penises or No Testicles Are Not Allowed in Church at 6/24/2011 2:00 PM
When God chose the Jews as His Chosen, He wanted them to be perfect in worship to Him. He wanted their sacrifices to be perfect and without blemish. Circumcision was something God told them to do, therefore it is not referring to that. \nAnd, again, as most people who really have never even studied the Bible, the misunderstandings and ignorance shows here. In case you didn't know it, Deuteronomy is in the Old Testament, it is under the Law of Moses, and we today are not bound by the Law of Moses. We are all under the New Covenant or Testament of Jesus Christ. So, yes a guy with a nut cut off can come to church as may a eunuch, so can a man with testicular cancer, as may every sinner on the face of the earth, because of course, Christ wants everyone to come to learn of Him. So, if you are reading here, God will forgive whatever sin you are in. He wants you to obey Him, and stop living in sin, whatever it is.
JamieSmith Divorce and Remarrying Are Both Considered Adultery at 6/24/2011 1:50 PM
Was the woman committing adultery? If you get married to someone, it is supposed to be for a lifetime. If you divorce your spouse, and he or she gets remarried, then yes, that is adultery. If you divorce your spouse and you remarry, you are committing adultery. If, on the other hand, your spouse is cheating on you, committing adultery with someone, then you have a right to divorce them, and remarry, but only to another person who has no spouse or has divorced their spouse for adultery. So, by you saying your mother was judging a woman who she says was committing adultery, then your mother was most likely referring to this. Most people in this world have absolutely no idea of how we are supposed to live today. So, they think they can marry whomever they please, and expect God to accept it. Just because you think it is right to marry and divorce and remarry over and over again, does not make it so. And just because the denominations accept this and nurture it, only shows their true ignorance of God's Word.
indycub86 Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 4/11/2012 12:04 PM
I think you misunderstand how marriage used to work. Men didn't marry women really, it was the woman that was attached to the man (which is partly why so many men in the bible were polygamists). It was also the woman's virginity that was her prime bargaining chip. Even if her husband died she couldn't try and remarry, and was to be killed if she did. The bible goes so far with that as to say a raped virgin should be wed to her rapist (because she'd be useless to any other man ... can't marry them, can't have 'legitimate' children and was basically trying to cheat them on the deal). Men on the other hand seemed to get off fairly easily. Sex slaves and the such were fairly common place and even made their way into the bible (Jesus himself healed a man that appeared to be another man's sex 'slave' ... and of course female ones existed too). The "adultery" for males was really in the desecration of another man's wife(s). It was basically a vandalism of what they saw as property (very expensive property for most).
PS: I'm not at all saying there wasn't love between husband and wife, or husbands didn't ever respect their wives as people, or kids their mothers / parents, etc. Its just that the whole legal and religious parts (even "adultery") seemed far removed from our concepts of it today.
Denis Robert Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 4/11/2011 4:21 PM
Matt 6:5 is a slam dunk for me: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others." Meaning: NO PRAYER IN PUBLIC.
The text in Psalm 137 refers to the torment the Isrelites went thru i Babylon.. The psalm ends with a "prayer" for the destruction of Babylon, where the ones to be involved would feel shere joy and happyness when smashing innocent children of Babylon against the rocks... Oh yaaay that sounds real nice... What a loving and forgiving God we have here.... Innocent children..... Thats a no brainer - This God is unjust and sick in "His" head
BrianSplintBartholin Non-Virgins Are To Be Stoned (As in, with Rocks) at 4/08/2011 3:34 PM
What is self-degardating here is people that keep telling us that God has an eye out for how, where and why, someone touches someome or oneself somewhere, and with which body part... What a stupid and sexficsated god u have... Why dont he spend some time saving the world instead, or answering some prayers.. Im sure that a lot of people i Japan, have been praying real much for safety and security... and what did they get... Death and sorrow... Because ur God was busy, looking at my hands, crouch or my b. hole... Stupid God
wanttospeak Women Will Never Teach or Have Authority Over Men at 4/04/2011 7:16 AM
But is it not true that "I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men; she is to keep silent." Timothy 2:11 is there? whether it is book 1 or 11. Too bad-It is anti women.
jinxmchue Women Will Never Teach or Have Authority Over Men at 4/02/2011 12:23 PM
Do you even have any clue as to what the entirety of that chapter is about? Of course you don't because you don't even know that there are two books of Timothy! Your reference should read "1 Timothy 2:11," but it doesn't because you are ignorant. You are also ignorant if you think 1 Timothy 2:11 applies to situations outside of worship or that women are "the first 'big bad' antagonist in the Bible."
Humilty Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/26/2011 12:16 AM
Do you think Jews are hateful too? Or are we supposed to just think that Christians are hateful? Since most of these references are from the Old Testament, why don't you pick on the Jews too? There is a lot in the OT that doesn't apply to Christians because we are no longer under the law. Christ came that we would be free and have life, and life to the fullest. But also, why don't you lash out at Islam? Or Tibetan Buddhists (i.e. Dalai Lama)? Or so many other leading world religions? They also believe that homosexuality is wrong. But I guess it's only PC to pick on Christ followers. Also, for the record, insane people (extremist "christians" like Westboro Baptist) are the exception rather than the rule. There is more love than hate to be found in the Christian church. I'm sorry that you've clearly had bad experiences with so-called Christians in the past that would make you lash out like this.
JamieSmith Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 6/24/2011 2:12 PM
Do you not understand what humility said? We are NOT under the Law of Moses anymore. when Jesus Christ died on the cross, the Mosaic law was fulfilled as the scripture said it would be. It is NOT a case of picking and choosing, it is a case of which covenant we live under. And if you would read the ENTIRE Bible, you would possibly gain an understanding which you do not now have.
Rider Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/26/2011 7:12 PM
Good point! Extremists are NOT the majority, they don't stand for all Christianity, and they're not the ideal we look towards for faith and modeling ourselves. Nor do most Christians put much stock by the Laws (outside of the 10 commandments), because most of them are not only dated and very specific to that time & culture, but most are also absolutely ridiculous. I get tired of all the religion-bashing in general. So you don't agree with someone on their faith, so what? You can be respectful about it and still disagree, rather than making fun. And yeah, apparently it's perfectly PC to to insult Christians now, which is fine, really, if you're insulting EVERYBODY. Let's see them pick on Hindus, Muslims, and Mormons this closely. But no, that will never happen because then it would be racist, or anti-Islamic, or just setting themselves up to be sued.
Bonzai Kitten Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 4/09/2011 7:40 AM
Yes, you can disagree with someone respectfully. However, disagreeing respectfully with fundamentalists doesn't work. Have you read the title of the piece? It doesn't say 'chatting with reasonable people of faith', does it? As for other religions not being addressed in this piece, and it being 'PC to to insult christians now', that is beginning to sound a lot like the persecution complex espoused by the fundies, rather than the rational religious!
PrincessOfDork Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 5/16/2012 7:35 PM
Wow. You would laugh your ass off watching a woman being bludgeoned to death with rocks? Really? Why? Has Paris Hilton committed some personal offense against you?
indigo32 Non-Virgins Are To Be Stoned (As in, with Rocks) at 3/23/2011 11:18 AM
Ethan has something of a point, but Wynn, seriously...I hardly even know where to begin with the massive failures in your post. The assumptions that straight and g*y people both only have sex one way, the assumptions that there aren't many things we all do our bodies, that don't involve sex, that others might consider 'degrading', the assumption that it's a failure to interest the opposite sex, and most importanly the assumption that you know what whatever creator you believe in really thinks all = MASSIVE FAIL
SoylentGrin Invite Your Attacker To Beat You More at 3/13/2011 6:58 PM
Uh huh. Read the Beatitudes again. Feed the poor, don't do evil, passive resistance, give a thief more than they steal and don't ask for it back... but in THIS case, Jesus is advocating being clever and making it easier on his followers rather than harder like all the others. It also doesn't say "if your master hits you", it says anyone. Someone who hits you isn't going to care about hitting you with their "unclean" hand.
RonM Invite Your Attacker To Beat You More at 3/12/2011 1:12 PM
Pastor Mike Underhill at Nexus United Church of Christ in Hamilton, Ohio http://www.nexusucc.org recently explained: Put yourself back in ancient biblical times and a time before the invention of toilets and toilet paper; men and women used their left hand to cleanse themselves after going to the bathroom. Their right hand was kept clean to eat with. Their left hand was considered “unclean!” This also carries over to current etiquette of wait staff today, they serve from the right side and remove from the left side. In the biblical days, masters would punish their slaves with a back hand across their face. The master would always use his "clean" right hand to punish his slave. The master could hit the slave harder with his right hand against the slave’s right cheek, then he could hit the slaves left cheek with his right backhand. Therefore, Jesus told the slaves to turn the "other" [left] cheek not as a form of continued punishment, but as a form to out-smart the master and lessen the master's ability to hit the slave harder. It is much more difficult to backhand someone on their left cheek with your right hand, standing directly in front of the other person.
Gods son Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/12/2011 7:10 AM
You are do wrong with your 20 Bible passages, yes they are in the Bible no fundamentalists would not follow them, dont have enough room to explain why lets just say Jews should still do these things but Jesus gave us a new way and became the fulfillment of the law. Really if you want to comment on the Bible find out what it really means, It will enrich your life beyond anything you could imagine. Jesus is love and warns us about things that will have eternal consequences things not seen with eyes only, intent, motives, desires, only the tip of the iceberg for reasons that things happen much deeper than a few words could ever explain. Ignorance is no excuse,so dont hide behind it.
Andy Mills Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/13/2011 8:03 AM
For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.â Matthew 5:18-19 ALL of these laws stll apply, READ YOUR BIBLE!
JamieSmith Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 6/24/2011 2:18 PM
Actually, Andy, the law was fulfilled! With the death of Jesus, all was finished. The law was taken away, and no one on earth is bound under it. If a person, including the Jews, wants to be under the Law, then they have to put on the WHOLE Law. Everything. Because of Jesus, we are now called to learn about God, repent of our sins, and be baptized for the remission of lour sins, and arise to walk in a newness of life, and no longer live as sinners. Not to say we don't all sin, we just don't make a lifestyle of it.
kona5303 Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 2/19/2012 3:10 PM
Jaimie that might be right for salvation (fith, not law) but if god is unchanging, the lifestyle he deemed righteous under the law is still righteous. I would think that people who claim to want to please god should still try to live the lifestyle that he deemed righteous. But of. Ourse living a life that god deemed righteous would be incredibly inconvenient and barbaric, so modern christians hide behind grace.
GeorgeM Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/24/2011 5:15 AM
The bible is a load of myths written by men (at a guess; I doubt many women had much input). It's all made up c**p, translated myriad times and crammed down people's throats at an early age (like any religion). I do not give a c**p what's in the bible or the koran or the bhagavad gita, beyond their limited literary value. I can live a just, honorable and decent life without some threatening made up god and a bunch of children screwing priests trying to tell me what to do and then demanding money! Sheesh.
amarshall3191196 Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 1/22/2012 10:38 PM
if thats how you feel then thats your choice, but may i say one thing that when you meet your maker you will bend the knee and confess that christ is lord but then it will do you no good, for he will say, depart from me you workers of iniquity, I never knew you. Are you sure that what you put on here for your comment is what you are holding on to as truth or do you need to reconsider? The ball is in your court. Remember you will have an eternity to think about the answer that you gave. Or you can accept him and have an eternity to worship the One who died for your sins.
JamieSmith Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 6/24/2011 2:20 PM
Referring to the priests, the Catholic religion is NOT the true Church of Christ, and never has been. And, women are very valued as people in the Bible. Jesus, himself, though very highly of women, and really loved His own mother.
SwiftrightRight Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 1/11/2012 7:49 AM
Strange, I seem to remember several Protestant scandals too. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286153,00.html Hmm, that's funny, it would seem that the combined Protestant churches of America receive even more report of child sex abuse the those Catholics (260 to 228 cases average per year) It would seem that ALL of you christains need to study your bibles just a little harder.... Also the Catholic Church has every bit as much of a right to say they are the ONLY True TRUTH as whatever wacky church you follow does.
TotalRecall9 Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/11/2011 12:12 AM
Ivana, you're an idiot!! What you did is like... in the U.S. Constitution it says, "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government", and then according to YOU, only Republicans can be elected to office.
jakenhyde Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/18/2011 2:24 PM
Well, Total, you're and idiot for comparing the US Constitution to the bible. Ivana's points are well taken. She's simply showing how two faced bible thumpers are.
ethancoker Non-Virgins Are To Be Stoned (As in, with Rocks) at 3/10/2011 11:11 PM
Wow, what a silly thing to say. I'm just saying. This ones deep in the belly of low-ness. You don't see people being stoned for gay marriage do you? then according to your own standards they're letting it slide.
sargon of akkad Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/10/2011 3:08 PM
So...your God commands that male children should have a chunk of their wangs lopped off before sunset on the eighth day of life, then decrees that anyone with a busted dick is impure?
Walker Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/10/2011 9:54 AM
Wow, wrote a comment and lost it trying to register. Bummer. Anyway, I enjoy satire as much as the normal person, I guess. And satire against fundamentalists of any breed is always interesting (what rises to the top defines better than anything). I do have to say that most of this, while humorous as presented, is taken out of context. That said, it is sadly, also very true of most fundamentalist Christians. I know. I was there for nearly 30 years.
It is unfortunate that so many Christians and non-Christians alike do not understand the context of grace that covers the whole Bible. It leads to these lists and comments like below as well as the idiocy that makes these lists so true. Bottom line, true orthodox Christianity teaches a bit differently than modern Christian fundamentalists. The Bible, primarily, is not a book to tell us how to live or to guide our morals like most people use it. At its core, the Bible is simple a redemption story. That is the theme, and understanding the generalities and then the details, must follow an understanding of that meta-narrative. I won't say that within that framework it all makes sense, because, quite frankly, it doesn't. There is still plenty that I don't quite get or understand. But, through that framework, so much more of it fits together much more clearly. At least it fits together much better (and in much larger chunks) than through the fundamentalist morality compass. (And FWIW, I've know and been involved in the past with groups that did indeed faithfully practice (well, as faithful as they could) 8, 9, and 14. Yeah, sad, I know, but I am recovering.)
bThumps Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 4/10/2011 9:14 AM
Fundamentalist Christians 1000 years ago would disagree with you. In a Europe dominated by the Catholic Church a virtually universally accepted aspect of any true Christian was that the Bible was the no less than the Word of God. Now you are saying that Fundamentalist Christians today believe that the Bible is more like a good story of how one should live. This change in interpretation would seem to any logical person proof that the book is altogether false. Religious Fundamentalism in any way, shape or form is a dangerous way of think. This assertion is backed by thousands of years of proof readily available in any history textbook. Belief without evidence diverts the blame of atrocious actions to a non-exist ant higher being and has lead to far to many needless deaths. I'm glad your not a fundamentalist anymore, however you should consider casting aside those bronze age myths altogether and turn to a far brighter outlook on humanity.
Scotty Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/29/2011 2:58 PM
Walker, you have an interesting perspective on how to interpret the bible. But I must ask, with what criteria do you use to come to your conclusion? Unfortunately, I find most theists simply choose an interpretation that fits into their concept of who god and / or jesus is. This is quintessential post-hoc logic. You already have your concept of god, and you simply find an interpretation of the bible that best supports your god concept, therefore, it must be the correct interpretation. Said another way: How do I know what is literal verus metaphorical in the bible? Answer: If it's accurate to what we know today, then it's literal, and if it doesn't align with current knowledge, then it's metaphorical. It's like magic! It always fits!!! Sorry for the sarcasm, but it wasn't direct at you, I just can't help it when it comes to this question of what is the "proper" way to interpret the bible. Without a standard criteria that can be applied to all supposedly god-authored texts, then it is all wishy-washy, touch-feely, rubbish to me. As such, I feel entirely legit is viewing the bible as supposedly inspired by the infinitely powerful, intelligent, just, kind, loving creator of EVERYTHING. As such, ANY confusion or misunderstandings that may arise from ANY part of the bible (regardless of the context) are a daming mark against such an author. In other words, the bible should be perfect in every aspect with zero chance of misinterpretation. Obviously, it isn't, so either god didn't author it, god isn't "all-every", or god doesn't exist. In any case, religious faith based upon biblical authority FALLS. Your thoughts? Cheers
alysdexia Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/10/2011 9:11 AM
You forgot #21, "Then it is better not to marry." All three church fathers were against wedding, mating, and breeding (sex of any kind) for the world was supposed to end 1950 years ago. End of Gods and Scriptures: http://google.com/groups?q=%22Warfare+by+Autymn%22.
Anonymous Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/10/2011 7:24 AM
I am sorry Ivana but your topic "Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists" hurtful, vindictive and irresponsible as most of it was 90% off context. It was the OLD LAW and most of those laws were done away with with Jesus coming in and saving the day (the good news). Whether you support "the whole gay marriage, abortion and child molestation thing", well Ivana, that's your Right or View to do what you want but no religion supports the things you mentioned. It's not easy for people (esp Christians) to make those PURE CLEAN choices everyday. Just remember Christians have mainly 1 choice / struggle everyday.....Either you obey God or your SIN (pick 1, no neutrality with God).That is why God forgives, if you fail. Please make a similar list of quotations against Muslims and Hindus who also have similar views and have their own fundamentalists. P.S I saw your Disclaimer and it's almost laughable. (DISCLAIMER: this list isn't meant as a hateful gesture towards Christians, but a way to fight irrational responses in debates with (fun) facts.)
Matthew Benson Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/10/2011 9:36 AM
Actually, only Paul said that the Lamb of God (Jesus the Christ) replaced the old laws of the Old Testament. Jesus himself said he wasn't there to change a jot or tittle of the law until the earth and heaven pass (Matthew 5:18). To add, the ten commandments, and the infamous law against homosexuality that can be found in the same places as the bible passages Ivana used, are still recognized today. I think Ivana's purpose was to point out how we no longer follow these rules as they are immoral acts. That the bible is not a source of morality. If it was, it wouldn't tell anyone to kill their children, cut off their limbs, etc. It probably would have included 'thou shall not rape' and 'thou shall not own another human being', h**l, maybe even 'thou shall not molest a child'. I myself am very thankful that we as a civilization no longer follow the laws of the bible, and have instead created our own morality. It's a beautiful testament with how far we have come.
bThumps Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 4/10/2011 9:25 AM
Nice point. Believing in the Bible contradicts normal societal beliefs today. It is for society as a whole who decides morality not a book. Through much struggle humanity has realized slavery is wrong. Belief in the Bible seems to contradict firmly held beliefs modern society has instilled in us all and it's really getting crazy.
ironlionnzion Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/09/2011 11:02 PM
Most of these laws were done away with because Jesus took the place of the sacrifice. So they are under the old contract. Unless you are an orthodox Jew. But most follow the Talmud which says God now has to ask permission of the Rabbis to institute anything. Also, you have misinterpreted the Apostles' doctrine authorized by Christ through the Holy Spririt and Divinely inspired. Por ejemplo, what the metaphor of cutting off the hand you so literally intepretted means is it is better to remove the ENABLER than to lose your self or Soul due to no self-control. For some that is a mother or boyfriend. I would be happy to further explain. I often wonder why do people want to tinker with others faith?
wynn1968 Non-Virgins Are To Be Stoned (As in, with Rocks) at 3/09/2011 8:18 PM
: "Gay marriage, or gay activity in general is wrong from a physical standpoint, irregardless of what one derives from the bible. Our creator designed us as men and women with obvious intentions, i.e. man gets a penis, women get a vagina, and they're obviously designed to work in conjunction. What a slap in the face it is to our creator to stick a penis in the hole where we c**p, or to put artificial toys into a vagina. It's nothing more than self-degradation in a twisted attempt to justify their obvious failure to score a decent partner of the opposite sex."
indycub86 Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 4/11/2012 11:25 AM
Wow. You really think gay people don't really like the same sex, but that they just can't get the opposite sex and settled? I mean seriously. Come on. You can't be THAT sheltered and confused about this these days even if you tried.
Tatiana Covington Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/09/2011 6:36 PM
The reality is that modern civilization is still allowing itself to be deluded by the ravings of brain-damaged goat-herders from 3000 years ago. That so-called savior was actually just a schizophrenic, going by what he reputedly said: confused, irrational ravings. Judaism and Christianity should both be thrown in the trash, where they belong: right next to Islam. The sooner all religion is destroyed, the better.
Larry Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/09/2011 4:30 PM
OK I suggest people go to the books listed here and read ALL of the story(whole pages imagine!!) One verse can be made to mean what ever you want it to mean! If you read the whole bible(i have not,,,yet) you will getr the true meaning . What this is doing is to take one passage to try and make it what you want it to say(AKA..The man is the head of the house LOL,,,yes ,he is,,but if you read the whole book,,you will see he is not the "BOSS" over women.
Fred54 Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/09/2011 8:12 AM
So why does anyone care what's written in some childrens fairy tale anyway?? If people want to stay ignorant, keep their children ignorant an live in some fantasy world where all their decisions are made for them by an organized criminal gang what do I care??
bnjoo Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/23/2011 9:47 PM
Because, they breath, breed and are allowed to vote. All the while their church is protected by the biggest of all tax shelters. Their political machine, which they believe is a majority (laughable considering and the denominations and different churches) constantly high jacks the progressive nature of the country. Which, of course, falls right in line with big businesses that intend to protect their consuming flock. Just ask yourself why GM wasn't allowed to fail. There is a pattern people...
carl Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/09/2011 8:08 AM
It seems to me that anyone should be able to spot the Bible as an anachronism that has no place in the modern world, and certainly not a moral compass.
yournamehigh Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/09/2011 7:52 AM
It'll be stupid to just take these passages out of context! Before trying to befuddle some fundamentalists or any Christian at all, you should sit down and study those verses. You will find out that some commandments were given for a certain people and at a certain time. Old Testament is full of rough commandments given to the Jews, but when Jesus came (New Testament) He died to do away with all this, and open up the way to God just through Him and nothing else. Whoever put all this is an ignorant because he's using portions of the Scripture rather than a whole chapter or even book. Sorry but please if you want to lash out at Christians, please read more and then come with strong arguments
Gary Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/09/2011 12:36 PM
As a Christian myself, I didn't find any "lashing out". I found this to be very well written and a very strong argument. Your statement to "read more and come up with strong arguments" is itself weak. Most religions do exactly what you claim this is doing, take scripture out of context. Bravo to the one(s) who compiled these scriptures and articulated it so well.
I pray to Joe Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/09/2011 9:34 AM
matthew 5:17-20 - 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. By your own admission your above statement is false. By your so called Jesus' own words you must obey all the laws in the old and new testaments. tl;dr - Logic, ftw
ironlionnzion Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/09/2011 11:10 PM
Fallacy. The accomplished is here. It is here. It is the autonomous church of Christ. NO not Rome. churches of Christ. So the old is done away with. The Pharasaic law is the Talmud. Read some parts of it if hou are unfamiliar. Hou might find out you are worthless and can be killed by any Jew who wants your property or anything else. What is the UN or a Palestinian or a Gentile telling you about human rights when you have the Talmud telling you you are the divine right?
whtswrngwthyrfc Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/09/2011 12:02 PM
Bulls**t. You just answered an argument about taking verses out of context by taking verses out of context. Jesus said this, according to the author of Matthew, during the sermon on the mount, as he was teaching people a number of things that appeared to contradict the Law of Moses. The passage you quoted was a description of his own words, not old texts. He was telling his followers not to set aside the commandments he was giving right then and there. On another note, "setting aside" the laws would be different from blind obedience. Even the sabbath, one of the big 10 commandments, was acceptably broken if a sheep or other animal fell into a ditch and needed help. And this way long before animal rights starting to mean things to people. Jesus said that all of the law and commandments were summed up by "love your neighbor as yourself." His unique interpretation of the Law is what got him into trouble in the first place. That said, I'm closer to agreeing with you than I am yournamehigh. Jesus didn't die to get rid of the Law. That's Paul who said that, not Jesus. Also, "so-called Jesus"? What the h**l does that even mean?
FSM1 Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/09/2011 5:56 PM
"The passage you quoted was a description of his own words, not old texts. He was telling his followers not to set aside the commandments he was giving right then and there." Really? So when he said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets" you think he was talking about his own laws that he had given out, why would people think he was trying to abolish his own laws and what would the Prophets have to do with it? If you agree that the Law that he is talking about in the first sentence is OT law, it then seems a bit of a stretch to deduce that the Law he is talking about in the second sentence lasting until everything is accomplished is not. In the context it seems more like he's adding to and refining the old laws rather than supplanting them, shortly after this he says that people who are angry with a brother or sister will be judged just like people who commited murder were judged under the old laws and men who look on a woman with lust are as guilty as those guilty of adultry under the old laws etc.
whtswrngwthyrfc Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/11/2011 1:39 PM
"19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven" That's the section to which I was referring, not the Law and the Prophets, which is obviously and OT reference. That bit of the argument is moot, anyway, since the whole point of the thing was that Jesus was asking people to change the way the laws should be interpreted. The verse was not only out of context relative to the chapter, but out of context relative to the entire ministry of Jesus. I don't think the way fundamentalists take the Bible as the literal word of God to be right. However, when you take the verses out of context, both historical and narrative, you aren't doing anything to show that you know better than them. If firing at people with your bible cannon is the reason people hate fundies, you've gotta rise above that. That's the only way you can change things for the better instead of just laughing about it with your friends.
carl Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/09/2011 8:04 AM
Your notion that some passages are for a certain time and place is ridiculous. These things are not appropriate in any time or place. Think! Quit drinking the Koolaid.
techskeptic Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/09/2011 6:42 AM
How could you miss out on the condemnation of praying in public!!! 5. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. 7. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Matthew 6:5 - 7
ironlionnzion Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/09/2011 11:17 PM
Man you missed the boat entirely on this one. Think of re televangilists on this. The lesson is don't pray to be seen and admired. That misses the fundemental core. You pray for the reason of praying. Prayer is what we call petitioning God. If you had to ask your Father or Mother to borrow the car would you go stand out in the front yard so all the neighbors could see you asking? NO. Simple example only it is more important than that. Maybe you wouldn't ASK for a loan from your banker on tv or thru the newspapers. Private petitions should be handled humbly and privately. We all love humble people.
ironlionnzion Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/09/2011 11:36 PM
One last thing, a great example of repetition would be "you have lied so go.say 99 hail maths." What does that do? He means be conscientious and thoughtful with your prayers. You see? These are good things. I want to make you aware of something. When Satan tried to tempt Jesus he often took scriptures and twisted them out of context. I am not calling you a Satanist. That is not my intention. I am sure if I knew you we would get along just fine. I treat others as I wish to be treated and have many friends who don't believe but try know what I believe and they respect me and sometimes I find they come and ask me questions about things regarding these topics. Partially because I belong to a small remnant of the 1st century church. Secondly, because we don't tote the line when faith and obedience is used in a financial or political manner. Nothing disgusts me more than seed money or clergy and laiety or the attitude that we are somehow more evolved than our ancestors when it comes to morals ethics and living. That is arrogant hogwash. Study philosophy and you will discover man has had and answered the same questions for millennia sometimes he uses krakens and netherworlds sometimes gilgamesh is the name sometimes its jupiter but we have always had the same concerns. They may have not tried to figure out how to get a better phone but I gaurantee thy tried to figure out how to get more wine or silk or leather. Gold!!!! You better believe there was crooks and charlatans trying to figure out how to get your gold thru religion and oracles. Sound familiar. Don't judge the faithful by what greed you see on tv or read about pedophiles in the news. Look for those who genuinely serve something higher than.themselves and asks why. I do it for not gold nor gain save how go be a better husband, father and neighbor. By the way the divorce rate in our churches are less than. 12% read the census! Booyaaaah we love we know love we live love and we have light.
""A bitched shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord."" (Deuteronomy 23:2)
"When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)
"He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord."(Deuteronomy 23:1)
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Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 5/03/2012 7:38 AM
Luke 16:17 states that you cannot play God and pick and choose the passages that for your agenda. You must read and obey all of them.
Luke 16:17
It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.
Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 4/27/2012 4:41 AM
There is a reason His disciples were uneducated fisherman and not rabbi's or pharisee's- in this way, there would be no mistaking that the message, and authority with which they preached said message, was not from anything they had learned from their own personal interpretation or through schooling or studying. It was the Holy Spirit speaking through them, and that is something we can all have ourselves through Jesus Christ! My life has confirmed and validated the Truth to be found in the Bible, and it is such a blessing! Let's be clear, the Bible is *not* the "Word of God." It was spirit inspired, but it is full of snares and things that were written in certain context eg from a Book containing letters regarding certain situations in a certain church.
The Holy Spirit is the Word of God, whom we have through Jesus, whom we have through the message of the Gospel, which we are made aware of through the Bible. The Bible gives us the laws of the Old Covenant (the old law) so that we can take those, knowing what sin is, and write those laws on our hearts, and then be freed up to live fully in God- worshipping him with our very lives in His Spirit and in His truth, because God *is* Spirit!
We are called to be living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God! Let's live it out before we go and misrepresent the One we claim to seek and follow- pull the plank out of your own eye! You can shout bible verses at people til you're blue in the face, but they are naught but meaningless words if they themselves don't take them to heart! Is God unable to do anything for them until we come and shove bible verses down their throats and speak of tell them they are going to hell? With the same tongue you praise God, would you curse the other ones He has also made in His own image?
Show them love and don't judge- that is how they will know that there IS a God, and that He is love- pure unconditional, boundless love!
Faith, hope, and love..which was the greatest again? Lest you forget, it was, and IS, love (1 John 4:8)! Jesus came not to judge, but save. So please, take a step back, and consider these things you think and say and do. If we have Christ, we are *not* to go on sinning! Romans 6 says, "by *no means*!"
We are not perfect, but there is a fine line between being imperfect and being sinful. Let me encourage you all who seek the good and truth to read through Romans Chapter 6. Imperfection is no justification or excuse for us to keep doing what we know in our hearts is wrong! God's power is made perfect in our weakness, but His power is not in sin- it's in righteousness! He is holy, and as we want to live as Jesus did, we should seek it also! With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible! =]
To all reading, please don't assume that there is no God- that there is no truth to be found, simply because you haven't been convinced of this by those who claim to understand. If they FULLY understand, they see the reason and good in it, and they want to take it to heart and live it out the fullest! I strive to do this everyday and I can honestly say it is quite unlike anything I have ever before had and what's still in store for me is exciting! =] God bless
-Joshua
A Woman's Punishment For Defending Her Husband = Cut Off Her Hand at 4/16/2012 4:51 AM
It says a woman can publically spit in the face of a man who will not take her as wife and take away his shoes publically,thus humiliating him.Here woman's husband is dead and the husband and his brother were living together with their families at the time of brother's death.God gave such privilages to women who are willing to obey him.What have you 'modern' ignorant,misled feminists got?
Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 5/16/2012 7:37 PM
Sounds like you've got a second-hand pair of men's shoes.
Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 4/13/2012 2:16 PM
the new testament is about love and grace; its about restoring a relationship between a holy God and sinful man.
as long as you have that, God's grace and guidance will deal with you concerning the rest.
if mean-spirited religious hypocrites get under your skin, welcome to the club, they did the same to jesus!
but the entire aim of this website, using (grotesquely removed from context) bible verses "against" someone is completely misguided, and misses the point of the message of the faith entirely.
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Ephesians 2 :8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:Not of works, lest any man should boast.
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GET A FRIGGIN LIFE.... GOP BIGOTS!
Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 2/24/2012 6:36 PM
Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 2/27/2012 8:37 AM
Seeing Old Testament is the only place its discussed....
Love though how you crazy people "Pick and choose" whatever you want to believe.....
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The retranslation of it to mean effeminate or homosexual is quite the modern development as far as the bible is concerned.
Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 3/02/2012 11:58 PM
Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.
These verses seem sexist, and are in the New Testament.
Can someone tell me what these verses mean.
As a woman and not a very avid reader of the Bible these verses make me feel uncomfortable.
Also, why does it seam that orders in the old testament are not interpreted as literally as the new?
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Also, just to add, at the time most PEOPLE were uneducated, not just women. It wasn't until long after these books were written that education became a widespread phenomenon. So singling out women doesn't make sense even in the context that you provided. It's just another example of how the biases of humans influenced what they thought a god would want
Top 20 Bible Passages to Use Against Fundamentalists at 2/19/2012 3:57 PM
When it comes to the heightened sacrifices for birthed daughters, what makes more sense, that that law came from god (who is ascribed at the same time for creating said life and process, then subsequently deeming said life and process unclean), or written by man?
Theoretically Christians should live as closely to the law as possible to reduce the amount of sin that jesus had to atone for.
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PS: I'm not at all saying there wasn't love between husband and wife, or husbands didn't ever respect their wives as people, or kids their mothers / parents, etc. Its just that the whole legal and religious parts (even "adultery") seemed far removed from our concepts of it today.
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It is unfortunate that so many Christians and non-Christians alike do not understand the context of grace that covers the whole Bible. It leads to these lists and comments like below as well as the idiocy that makes these lists so true. Bottom line, true orthodox Christianity teaches a bit differently than modern Christian fundamentalists. The Bible, primarily, is not a book to tell us how to live or to guide our morals like most people use it. At its core, the Bible is simple a redemption story. That is the theme, and understanding the generalities and then the details, must follow an understanding of that meta-narrative. I won't say that within that framework it all makes sense, because, quite frankly, it doesn't. There is still plenty that I don't quite get or understand. But, through that framework, so much more of it fits together much more clearly. At least it fits together much better (and in much larger chunks) than through the fundamentalist morality compass. (And FWIW, I've know and been involved in the past with groups that did indeed faithfully practice (well, as faithful as they could) 8, 9, and 14. Yeah, sad, I know, but I am recovering.)
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